Interesting things

[juliet]

• Sign the Indymedia petition (more details on the FBI seizure of their machines at that link)


• Found this on Strange Machine (marnameow should like this)


• Alien Loves Predator (made kitty_goth & I laugh immoderately)


• MY MONITARY SISTEM IS f1dud14ry & 133t!!!!!! (especially this one)

Comments

[beingjdc.livejournal.com]

Here's a few more - I believe indymedia sites elsewhere in the world are part of the same dubious network, aren't they?

http://melbimc.nomasters.org/news/2004/06/71087.php
http://www.sdimc.org/en/2004/05/104243.shtml

[peshwengi.livejournal.com]

You seem to think that because you disagree with some things that Indymedia has published, that they should not have the same rights as other people/organisations.

[beingjdc.livejournal.com]

I don't especially think those who recklessly promote denial of the Holocaust should have any rights at all. This isn't about 'disagreeing with something they have published' as though whether or not the Holocaust happened is a debate in the same way 'Do you like Kylie's new single' is a debate.

[thekumquat.livejournal.com]

I don't especially think those who recklessly promote denial of the Holocaust should have any rights at all.

In that case we are doomed to differ. I fundamentally believe that human rights have to extend to all humans, no matter how odious. Part of that stems from the selfish belief that if they don't, people who find my way of life abhorrent can take those rights from me.

I also think the best way to deal with whackjobs is to have their beliefs out in the open for all to ridicule and beware of, but that's a separate issue.

[beingjdc.livejournal.com]

Actually it's a pretty similar issue, and your view is one which leads inexorably to the principle of the BNP roadshow, that the best way to stop the BNP would be to take their leaders round every town in the country, encouraging them to address public meetings.

I think there's a reason why every antifascist group I've ever known takes the opposite approach.

[fluffymormegil.livejournal.com]

I think there's a reason why I tend to suspect the antifa of being a bunch of dangerous fuckwits.

[beingjdc.livejournal.com]

My best guess: It's because you're a liberal and not part of a visible minority. Also, you don't live somewhere with a serious far-right problem.

[fluffymormegil.livejournal.com]

Thugs have no legitimate place in the political process. Both the fascists and the antifa tolerate (and to some greater or lesser extent, encourage) thuggery on their behalf; therefore, they are both dangerous fuckwits.
(Also, I rejected the terminology of left and right to a significant extent some time ago; it lumps looney propertarian gun nuts in the same category as fascists, and state communists in the same category as anarchosyndicalists, proving its own bogosity.)

[beingjdc.livejournal.com]

They're quite different. Antifascists who espouse violence hurt people because they have chosen to be Nazis. Nazis who espouse violence hurt people because they were born a different colour or sexuality. This isn't complicated.

[fluffymormegil.livejournal.com]

1) Antifascists make trouble for (non-fascist) bands with ambiguous imagery.
2) Not all fascists are national socialists.